Black History Month: Experts Discover First Modern Aircraft Was Designed by Africans

There are too many questions unanswered. Speculation and questions is what the video is about, nothing supports the hypothesis of it being an Egyptian aircraft. Anything can be placed in a wind tunnel and fly given that the environment can be controlled to do so and would also require a lot of math. Better subjects would have a flat surface crude or not.

The item is a carved piece of wood that is a bird. As stated, "I want to fly" implies that who ever wrote it studied birds and wished what many in the past have wished; to fly like the birds. If I'm not mistaken, Egyptians studied and worshipped many animals. I see this as an extension of that.

The statement, "I have flown" would indicate that one had built and aircraft and successfully traveled through the air. Had the maker of the bird had the intention to fly off invention, there would have been more found besides one artifact.

The tail is interesting though. But I see it as I see the drawings of the same era. People are drawn with bodies one way and the heads drawn 90 degrees left or right. Or it could have been quicker and easier to carve it that way as the wood might not have been wide enough to carve a birds tail it the correct manner.

Navydoc:

If a wind tunnel is so unreliable then all wind tunnels should be trashed! The scientists in the video also stated that the Sakara Plane represents "applied science" . In others words it was not an accident. It was not a coincidence. Where is your scientific evidence to prove those scientists wrong.

Where is the eviden e that they are right? One person conducted the wind tunnel experiment. In the scientific comunity that is now enought to support the idea. And thats all it is is an idea. A noval one at that but an idea regardless. Of course the carving is applied science. Anything can become applied science. But to say the creator was trying to build an object to fly in is unsupported. The size of the carving, the lack of maring on the nose, the lack of some attachment for a string or as they suggest, bungee cord, the lack of string or bungee cord, the lack of a larger proto type complete with space or device to attach "I want to fly"
Consider the size of the object and then consider how could the creator have experimented with it to know that it would need an elevator to stabilize it. Its too small to take flight without an advanced wind tunnel, too heavy as well. Plus, it has eyes.

There are too many questions unanswered. In the scientific community, it takes much more than one experiment and a video to establish something as fact, which this article tried to do.

Navydoc:

The Sakkar Plane should not exist based on the history of technology that we were taught in school. Obviously, the schools lied to us. If you wish to cling to the notion that those aerodynamic proportions were some kind of freak accident, that is your right. The facts speak for themselves. By the way, here are some more ancient aircraft that actually perform complex maneuvers in flight. I am eager to read your reactions to these.

Ancient Aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LdOioSt6vc

Skip to the last third of this clip. You will see the advanced maneuvers of an ancient aircraft including a 360 degree vertical turn.

Ancient Mayan "Space Vehicle" Reverse Engineered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C7XO-QH-s

aerodynamic proportions were some kind of freak accident

Everything has aerodynamic proportions my friend. We know this because of freak tornadoes. As I said in a previous reply, anything can fly given the right conditions. To up the odds that it will fly, give an object the shape of a bird. Or a flat surface; the bigger the better to a point. To fly really fast; add a self contained propulsion system.

Regarding first film link:
They took the original, scaled it up and ADDED landing gear and an Engine. When he states, "everything was already done by the natives," he was referring to the shape. Also stated that nothing was taken away or added in inches. This is false. Compare the original artifact to the replica. Where there are holes, rings, knobs in/on the original. On the replica they are either gone or filled in. Also consider weight, which isn't mentioned. Does the replica's weight match that of the original in ratio and proportion? Considering the original is made out of gold, I doubt it.

It's further stated that the early native knew about aero dynamics. Anyone that observes a bird knows about aero dynamics but that dose not mean that they understood or applied it. If that were the case, then the objects made 2000 years ago would have come with a propulsion system and flight controls. Oh and wouldn't have arched gaps in the wings. (and I'm not referring to the looped knobs on the leading edge of the wings.)

The commentator states that the original items are aerodynamically sound and can fly. I did not see the originals fly. I saw enhanced and poorly mocked up versions fly. If I were to believe these original items could fly, then I would need to see the actual items fly.

Do you have a link to the documents shown at the end of the film? That would be a great thing to see. I LOVE blue prints, schematics and the sort.

Regarding second film link:

Very cool builds but actually hurts the idea that our original artifacts could fly. I say this because his final product was more-less 2D and not 3D and incredibly lighter. That renders his "scale" claim false. In fact, he admits it when he states that he would build it to scale as close a possible. It also contained a propulsion system and landing gear as well as controlled flight surfaces. (Which seem to worsen, as the craft got lighter. Lastly, the vertical fin. Since the item is small, decorative and made of gold; I'm thinking it was worn around the neck. Had the fin continues to the underside of the item, that could potentially have created a lot of pain poking at the sternum.

ps: blue print links ;)

Navydoc:

Let's first put the chronology in proper order. These ancient planes were each believed to be birds or insects. It wasn't until much later when men trained in aerodynamic designs took a closer look at them and determined that they conformed to the design of modern aircraft. Next came the first tests. In both the wind tunnel test and the actual flight tests of the different gold planes, the ancient planes all passed those tests. No one knew what was actually going to happen so the testers were just as shocked when they performed so well. Now, Navydoc, be honest. If those planes failed those tests, would you be yelling and screaming demanding that more tests be done to see if it were possible for those planes to fly? I don't think you.

Navydoc, what is most important about all of this is that you agree that these ancient planes deserve serious research and additional experimentation. I believe that was the whole point of Aunk writing this article - to get people to think and start asking questions about these discoveries which most historians have kept quiet about. Aunk I believe wants more research and experimentation into this matter just as you do. The hunt is on to find out who designed these devices, what did earlier versions of these crafts look like, are there any remains of a full scale version of these devices. (Actually, there are reports that one of these crafts have been discovered intact in Afghanistan. The accounts are amazing, but it is too soon to confirm details about it.)

Navydoc, with your in-depth understanding of aerodynamics, you should create a scaled up model of these devices yourself and run all the tests you feel are necessary and then publish your findings. Thanks again, for agreeing that these ancient airplanes are worthy of serious research.

the ancient planes all passed those tests

That's the thing, THE ancient planes did not take flight in the test. "Replicas" did. In my opinion its great that they flew however, they were not exact. And you are correct, we need the full scale ancient versions found if they exist. That is the only way we will ever know.

Had the replicas not flown I would have stepped in and told them they were doing it wrong, LOL! More so because I'm a guy that likes to see just about anything go throught the air. I believe that just about anything can fly. Its just a matter of applying propper mechanics and physics.

If I hit the lotto (the big one :) I swore to myself I would dedicate my life to science on a small scale. Unfortunatly as a sailor With a wife and three kids, I don't make enough to fund such an experiment. Now going back to the Lotto, my kids and I would have a ball, but my wife wouldn't be too happy with many of the ideas I have in mind ;)

Navydoc:

However you do it, I would love to see the expression on you face if after all your tests, they still flew!

By the way what choice did they have with regards to using replicas. These are fragile ancient relics. In addition they are very tiny and hard to work with in their original size.

you're welcome! :)

Polka:

Did you even watch the video??? Obviously not! If you had you would have seen that scientist placed this object in a wind tunnel and they concluded that it would fly! These are modern western scientist saying this. What other proof do you need? They also noted that this was "applied science" which means that no one could create something like this by accident. It would require extensive testing. Want more proof? Are you sure that you can handle it? Check out the Temple in Abydos Egypt. One of the panels fell off revealing some ancient hieroglyphics. These hieroglyphics clearly show a modern helicopter, a modern plane, a tank and some high tech anti-gravity vehicle that looks a lot like the land rover that Luke Skywalker used in Star Wars. Here is one link:

The Abydos Mystery

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hitech03.htm

You can get on a plane today and go see them for yourself. They are still there. No one has an answer for this mystery except for the obvious which is that these devices actually existed in the past. This means that ancient Africans were far more technologically advanced than anyone else in the world! Only in the past one hundred years have society even begun to catch up to the ancient Africans in terms of technology.

Did you even watch the video???

I watched the 3-8 minute segment deemed relevant. I saw the tests done on the models but I am not convinced that the model was specifically designed as a model for theoretical flight. We can never know with certainty if it was designed for that purpose or if it was a simple wood carving of a bird. I think we are able to see our technology in these ancient images but that is only our fault. Like looking for past "predictions" of the future while knowing what events you are looking for. It is not possible for those types of advanced technology to have existed in antiquity anywhere in the world.

Polka:

By your logic, if a thousand years from now someone found a small model car from this time period, it would be logical for them to doubt whether cars actually existed??? I have to wonder if your skepticism would be the same if this object were found somewhere in Europe.

To repeat, it is not a bird. The dynamics of flight are extremely complex. It requires precise proportions for the wings and the rest of the a plane in order for it to fly. One would have to first come up with a design and then test it out repeatedly before the correct proportions were determined. Look at how many attempts were made before the Wright Brothers actually achieved flight!. No one can luck up on something like this. It requires a detailed understanding of math and science along with experimentation. Personally, I am not convinced that it was a glider, because it's design conforms more to a military transport plane as can be seen in the photos I provided in the link.

What about the hieroglyphs in the Temple in Abydos I provided you? I noticed that you did not comment on those - why?

If western scientists say that it is a plane that is good enough for me. Lastly, modern flight was achieved only about 100 years ago. The Egyptian culture goes back at least 10, 000 years and some scholars argue that it could go back as far as 36,000 years. The bottom line is that there was plenty of time to achieve as much as the Wright Brothers did and well beyond that.

By your logic, if a thousand years from now someone found a small model car from this time period, it would be logical for them to doubt whether cars actually existed??? I have to wonder if your skepticism would be the same if this object were found somewhere in Europe.

One thousand years from now people will have all the history of cars to prove when they were invented and where and some vehicles would probably continue to exist in that time. If no proof survived except one toy car then evidence is less prominent and more research would have to be done to prove where ancient cars originated from and when. My skepticism would increase by a factor of ten if it came from Europe. If Ancient Egyptians couldn't invent it then some primitive cave dwellers with no technology of any kind could never invent it.

No one can luck up on something like this. It requires a detailed understanding of math and science along with experimentation.

Have you heard of Occam's Razor? That means that the least complicated theory is often the most correct. So what would seem to be correct between one idea that a civilization thousands of years ago with nearly no technology or understanding of physics or science could develop something as advanced as the understanding of flight or the other idea that some person in that civilization built a crude abstract carving of a bird and we are mistakenly applying our modern views of technology to it?

What about the hieroglyphs in the Temple in Abydos I provided you? I noticed that you did not comment on those - why?

I did comment on it and you didn't read it or you ignored it. I said that we are applying our own modern understanding of technology to these hieroglyphs and that was the mistake like applying our understanding of history to past "predictions" of the future to say they predicted events like WWII or the Kennedy assassination or the Iraq War when those writings were only creating abstract views of events within their own lifetimes. If you are looking for something then you will find it with enough time and effort.

The Egyptian culture goes back at least 10, 000 years and some scholars argue that it could go back as far as 36,000 years. The bottom line is that there was plenty of time to achieve as much as the Wright Brothers did and well beyond that.

I think if they had invented flight many thousands of years ago then they could have conquered the world through their advanced technology and we would have more "proof" today then some carving of a bird.

Polka:

I can see that you really don't understand the big picture and you have no understanding of all of the discoveries that have been made.

First, Occam's Razor does not apply here. If this was just a drawing on a wall, your point would have merit, but what we have is an actual working model that was tested in a wind tunnel by scientist. Let me repeat: tested in a wind tunnel by scientist!!! Do you get it or should I repeat it a few more times. This is not speculation. This is scientific fact. They stated very clearly in the video that such a design could not have occurred by accident. For you to continue to ignore what they concluded means that you are being unscientific and not objective. The only way that your argument can be credible is if you can prove that the Sakara Plane can not fly. Until you are prepared to do that, you don't have an argument, at least not a scientific one.

As far as the Abydos images, are you seriously going to try to argue a helicopter, an airplane, and a tank aren't what they appear to be? So tell me, what else do you think they could be? Birds? Insects? Perhaps the tank is really an elephant with his nose outstretched? Polka a child could look at the hieroglyph and quickly spot the plane, the helicopter and the tank. Do a Google search and see the massive debate the Abydos image has created.

There is all kinds of evidence of advance technology in ancient Egypt. Look at the Great Pyramid. It has an estimated 2.5 million stones, each weighing 2.5 to 10 tons and some weighing several hundred tons. They were cut within fractions of an inch of perfection and fitted perfectly together. No serious scholar believes that all of this was done with ropes and slave labor. The Great Pyramid could not be built today despite all of the modern equipment that is available. The Japanese tried years ago using cranes, trucks and helicopters, but they failed.

The History Channel has an important series entitled: Ancient Aliens which documents all types of astonishing technological achievements of the ancients which the only answer they can come up with is that aliens did it. You can view episodes on You Tube.

the Ancient Aliens series is awesome. they show all kinds of ancient artifacts and construction which can not be explained properly... and then they invent explanations involving aliens. Now this is a lot of fun, I love of sci-fi, but the leap they take from the unexplained to their explanation has no foundation. Its just a good story. The mysteries remain mysteries.

If this was just a drawing on a wall, your point would have merit, but what we have is an actual working model that was tested in a wind tunnel by scientist. Let me repeat: tested in a wind tunnel by scientist!!! Do you get it or should I repeat it a few more times.

I do not argue that the altered model could not theoretically fly or glide. I would dispute the claim that the ancient model was built to model the design of flight. I disagree with the idea that we can claim with certainty that the theoretical aerodynamic properties of the ancient model was not simple coincidence. The model by itself is interesting but I think the claim that it is the "first modern aircraft" is extremely disingenuous.

As far as the Abydos images, are you seriously going to try to argue a helicopter, an airplane, and a tank aren't what they appear to be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abydos,_Egypt#The_.22mysterious.22_hieroglyphs_in_Temple_of_Seti_I...

Often described as a helicopter, a battle tank or submarine, and a fighterplane or even a U.F.O.. But this is partly based on widely distributed retouched images that removed key details from the carvings. When examining the original hieroglyphs the provocative images are commonly explained as being the result of erosion, and later adjustments, or re-writing over the original inscriptions that left parts of the older text visible creating the illusion of modern looking machines

No serious scholar believes that all of this was done with ropes and slave labor.

Has any of these scholars given any alternate explanation for the construction of the Pyramids? And "aliens did it" does not count.

You can view episodes on You Tube.

I have seen one or two of those programs and they are full of speculation with little or no facts and this is even proven when the skeptics are given time to argue against the "ancient alien" theory.

Polka:

You wrote:

"I would dispute the claim that the ancient model was built to model the design of flight. I disagree with the idea that we can claim with certainty that the theoretical aerodynamic properties of the ancient model was not simple coincidence. "

What??? Your comment does not make sense. If I understand you correctly, if a computer was found in a temple, that would not prove that they actually meant to design a computer. If you are that desperate to deny what is so obvious and proven by western scientists in a wind tunnel, then so be it. What's the point of trying to have a rational discussion if you are not prepared to be rational? By the way, they did find a computer. It's called the: Antikythera mechanism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

With regards to that quote from wikipedia, it is cute, but irrelevant. Anyone can see with their own eyes what is on the temple wall at Abydos. If there was just one isolated image, there might be some basis for speculation, but here we have a helicopter, a plane, a tank and an aerodynamically designed space age vehicle all on the same slab of stone. This is not a coincidence nor is it some distortion of the image, this is a genuine mystery with profound implications. This is why so many scholars and scientist are amazed and confounded by it.

Yes, there are alternative theories by scholars as to how the Great Pyramid was built and it comes down to that they had super advanced technology which goes beyond anything that modern western society has now.

The Ancient Aliens series, do speculate regarding the alien connection, but the massive stone structures built around the world with degrees of precision modern machines would have difficulty duplicating, is not speculation. There are countless other discoveries such as the Nasca Lines which stretch for miles and can only be seen from the air, but if there were not any airplanes, how could anyone see what they created? The Nasca Lines were meant to be viewed from the sky, which implies that someone had achieved flight.

If I understand you correctly, if a computer was found in a temple, that would not prove that they actually meant to design a computer.

You do not understand me fully. If an intact plane or glider was discovered that can possibly hold a human if it could be used then that would be the great discovery but we only have this wooden carving that may or may not be anything of real significance. Even a piece of an ancient aircraft or a piece of a wing or a mechanical part from it would be good enough to prove that Ancient Egyptians had more advanced technology then previously thought. It would be nice if the model found was a small model aircraft but we do not know with certainty that it was designed for that purpose and it could be nothing more then a carving of a bird. If it was a model aircraft then it would prove that the Ancient Egyptians did possess some understanding of flight principles but we have not found an intact ancient aircraft so they may have never taken the principles of flight into a more practical phase of development.

This is not a coincidence nor is it some distortion of the image, this is a genuine mystery with profound implications. This is why so many scholars and scientist are amazed and confounded by it.

I think we would need reasons to believe that those images were not distortions. We have no proof that the Ancient Egyptians had access to technology that could be described as similar to modern machines.

Yes, there are alternative theories by scholars as to how the Great Pyramid was built and it comes down to that they had super advanced technology which goes beyond anything that modern western society has now.

And that is why some believe in ancient astronauts/alien theories. But none of them come with any proof. A theory should have proof to enforce its legitimacy. Some even question the purposes of the Pyramids themselves but any theories they have can not be backed by facts.

The Ancient Aliens series, do speculate regarding the alien connection, but the massive stone structures built around the world with degrees of precision modern machines would have difficulty duplicating, is not speculation. There are countless other discoveries such as the Nasca Lines which stretch for miles and can only be seen from the air, but if there were not any airplanes, how could anyone see what they created? The Nasca Lines were meant to be viewed from the sky, which implies that someone had achieved flight.

It is certainly possible that ancient peoples had the ability to carve into stone and it was forgotten. In regards to those lines, we don't know their purposes but they could have been large monuments to their religious beliefs? Maybe not meant to be fully seen by anyone? We don't know.

Polka:

I am glad that you laid out your criteria for proof. In the links below you will see gold figures that were thought to be insects found in Mayan Temples, but later determined to conform to the design of advanced fighter. Larger scaled up versions were created and an engine added and they not only fly, but they perform advanced maneuvers.

Ancient Aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LdOioSt6vc

Skip to the last third of the clip below. You will see the advanced maneuvers of an ancient aircraft including a 360 degree vertical turn.

Ancient Mayan "Space Vehicle" Reverse Engineered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C7XO-QH-s

Polka:

Lastly, anyone who says that there no facts to back up the alternative theories regarding the Great Pyramid, has not studied the subject in-depth.

Regarding the Nazca lines. Who in their right mind would create massive pictures on the ground which they would not get to ever see? Also how does one carve massive images into mountains without being able to see the full scope of what they are doing as they are doing it?

I am glad that you laid out your criteria for proof. In the links below you will see gold figures that were thought to be insects found in Mayan Temples, but later determined to conform to the design of advanced fighter. Larger scaled up versions were created and an engine added and they not only fly, but they perform advanced maneuvers

The figure was interesting and I have seen it previously. If it was a model based on aerodynamic flight concepts similar to the model in Egypt then it would be very interesting. If the idea of those cultures creating models for aerodynamic flight are true then they would have had the vision for flight even without a working aircraft.

Regarding the Nazca lines. Who in their right mind would create massive pictures on the ground which they would not get to ever see? Also how does one carve massive images into mountains without being able to see the full scope of what they are doing as they are doing it?

Maybe they believed that it could be seen from the sky and that is why they built it to a large size but it could not be humans because they did not possess actual working aircraft. I can not say how they created those lines. The process is unknown.

Polka:

It is nice to see that you are open to the possibilities. For me if the Sakkara Plane was not sound in the wind tunnel and the Mayan planes did not fly through the air, then I would have may doubts. Since they did past those tests, it is clear that they understood and experimented with aerodynamic airplane designs to the point that they surpassed the designs of the Wright Brothers and many others that later followed. Those planes conform in design and actual practice to modern day aircraft.

As far as the Nazca Lines, a little commonsense is in order. No one builds giant pictograms which they will never be able to see. It is impossible to do the huge images without guidance from above. How would one know when a mistake was make and how to fix it. Again some of these things stretch for miles. There is only one plausible answer - they could fly!

Regarding the Nazca lines. Who in their right mind would create massive pictures on the ground which they would not get to ever see?

Who in their right mind would create a song they would never get to hear?

Pallas:

That is a bunch of racist rubbish! The Arabs did not come on the scene until Egypt had fallen. They had nothing to do with the technically achievements of the Ancient Egyptians. In fact they are the ones who tore up the outer casing on the Great Pyramid to create Mosques. They had no idea what the real purpose of the pyramid was.

The statues and hieroglyphs clearly show African kings and queens ruling Egypt. The Arabs don't know the first thing about building a pyramid. Let's see some Arabs try to create another Great Pyramid. The Ancient African Egyptians achieved so many almost magical things that Western scholars are desperate to give the credit to anyone, but the Africans. They are even willing to go so far as to now try to claim that aliens did it.

Pallas, you are going to be in big trouble once Aunk sees what you wrote! I can't wait!

Wasn't being racist , and I have studied the subject extensively, lets check facts before we go slinging hate words

Modern scholars who have studied Ancient Egyptian culture and population history have responded to the controversy over the race of the Ancient Egyptians in different ways. The focus of some experts who study population biology has been to consider whether or not the Ancient Egyptians were primarily biologically African rather than to which race they belonged.^[116]

It is now largely agreed that Dynastic Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile area. About 5,000 years ago the Sahara area dried out, and part of the Saharan population retreated East towards the Nile Valley. In addition Neolithic farmers from the Near East entered the Nile Valley, bringing with them their food crops, sheep, goats and cattle.^[117][118] Fekri Hassan and Edwin et al. point to mutual influence from both inner Africa as well as the Levant.^[119]

Dynastic Egyptians referred to their country as "The Two Lands". During the Predynastic period (about 4800 to 4300BC) the Merimde culture flourished in the northern part of Egypt (Lower Egypt).^[120]This culture, among others, has links to the Levant.^[121] The pottery of the later Buto Maadi culture, best known from the site at Maadi near Cairo, also shows connections to the southern Levant.^[122] In the southern part of Egypt (Upper Egypt) the predynastic Badarian culture was followed by the Naqada culture. These people seem to be more closely related to the Nubians and East Africans than with northern Egyptians.^[123][124]

Due to its geographical location at the crossroads of several major cultural areas, Egypt has experienced a number of foreign invasions during historical times, including by the Canaanites, the Libyans, the Nubians, the Assyrians, the Ku@!$%#es, the Persians, the Greeks, the Macedonians, the Romans, the Arabs and the Ottoman Turks.

UNESCO convened the "Symposium on the Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of the Meroitic Script" in Cairo in 1974. At that forum the "Black Egyptian" theory was rejected by 90% of delegates,^[125][126] and the symposium concluded that Ancient Egyptians were much the same as modern Egyptians. The arguments for all sides are recorded in the UNESCO publication General History of Africa,^[125] with the "Origin of the Egyptians" chapter being written by Diop.

In 1996, the Indianapolis Museum of Art published a collection of essays, which included contributions from leading experts in various fields including archaeology, art history, physical anthropology,African studies, Egyptology, Afrocentric studies, linguistics, and classical studies. While the contributors differed in some opinions, the consensus of the authors was that Ancient Egypt was an African civilization, based on Egypt's geographic location on the African continent.^[127]

quite a few theories , no substantial facts and that's all I was saying in my first post, nothing at all racist but kudos for going there. I was incorrect in using the term "arabian", I was just trying to find a good word to use and it escaped me at the time, figured Arabian everyone would get what I meant or inferred.

ancient egypt race controversy

Pallas:

My apologies. What I meant was that there are those who are racist who are deliberately perpetuating such false ideas. Others who repeat such ideas may not understand the full implications. Again, the easiet way to know what the ancient Egyptians looked like is to look at the statues and hieroglyphs. They are pictures in stone. They had thick lips, wide noes and other characteristics of African features.

digcreation:

Anyone can draw something on paper. When engineers design a rocket and crashes and burns, they go back to the drawing board. Also Davinci's contraption did not look anything like a modern helicopter. Furthermore, to my knowledge, no one has placed it in some kind of wind tunnel to test it out. On the other hand, the Sakara plane is not just a drawing, but a working model. It looks like a modern plane or glider. It has been tested in a wind tunnel and proven that it can fly. If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it probably is a duck.

I am not denying it is a working model.

Jules Vernes designs for a ship to go to Mars were very similar to the ones we actually used 100 years later. He even chose florida as a launching point. But they didn't have launch technology then.

Tesla built working models for wireless technology in the era when the light bulb was being invented, but his work was shut down by industrialists who couldn't figure out how to charge for it.

my point is just because someone knows how to do it, doesn't mean it got done. Not making the genius of invention any less impressive.

digcreation:

So what you are saying is that you need to see one that actually flies through the air, not just in a wind tunnel?

Jules Verne did not have a working model that could be aerodynamically tested.

Tesla went way beyond models. The electricity we have now came from Tesla, among other things. Guess where Tesla studied - Egypt!

thank you Aunk, that's all I'm saying. they tested a plane they built in that wind tunnel, which just proves the model was a working model. which is amazing in itself.

aside: Jules Vernes designs for the Submarine were also used for the first submarines.

Someone needs to rewrite the history books we use to educate our children with so they know what REALLY happened.

Yes, please do.

Just remember when you do to insure that those books clearly state that there has NEVER been a white person who has EVER done a lick of work in their lives.

They have done absolutely nothing and have stolen the credit from the more deserving folks.

They have invented nothing, have built nothing, and have contributed absolutely NOTHING to the human race in their entire existence.

They have done absolutely nothing and have stolen the credit from the more deserving folks.

They did not invent nothing but they have stolen significant credit from other peoples and that injustice should be corrected.

there is only one race, the human race.

the rest is Bull@!$%#

countrygirl:

Great point!

I was not criticizing your attempts at education, I was directing my comment at the more vitriolic meme that was peering its ugly head.

No sir, I'm currently Marine side at the moment(ground). I did spend a lot of time on the aviation side as well as some aviation physiology. 4 years and I retire. It's been a great learning experience but I can't wait to explore different avenues of life.

Malcolm:

Anyone who has read the works of Dr. Ben, Dr. Clarke, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and others, know that the Ancient Egyptians were Africans. They were Black Africans and very proud to be so. Just look at the statues. They depict strong proud Black African men and women.

What I getting at is this.The the manner in which we are taught in this western educational system very subtly dumb us down to who,what and how important a role we Black people play in the whole scheme of things.Point and case: in school they would show us a few pictures of some of the pictures on the walls of the pyramids it was obvious to the eye that the people were Black but when they taught us about Egypt they used images of white people as if they were the Egyptian they even used white images to depict the Hebrew slaves through their so called modern art and movies.Hope you get insight as to what I'm trying to convey.

Aunk.....A great number of folk know of the injustices done to people of color ever since we've been, but more importantly it's a must that we not allow our children, and their children to ever think we are second class citizens.

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