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Poll: The Two Stories of Thanksgiving

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This Thanksgiving, and/or in the future, I will tell someone the “Two Stories of Thanksgiving”

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Story one; Pilgrims sit down to eat with Native Americans, or Story two, Pilgrims sat down and eat Native Americans on "Thanksgiving". The question posed is, which is the real story? And how should you view and interact with the holiday thanksgiving?

In School, I learned that the Pilgrims had black hats and gold shinny buckles and sat down and had a wonderful meal with their friends the Native Americans in 1621. I thought this was the way things looked, because this is what my teachers and parents told me. This is not like Christmas, they wouldn't lie about this would they?

I was in middle age, before I learned that this was not the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help my teacher's God. I would not say they "lied", however, the Europeans that were invading Turtle Island did not have cloths as described. They whore much less flamboyant plain everyday work cloths. In addition, most Native Americans would tell you that these were not the friendliest folks that ever landed on Turtle Island.

Historians Joel A. Rogers, Dr. Rev. Ishakamusa Barashango and others report that 44 of the Pilgrims died in their first winter in America due to laziness and mental illness. Further, they report that not only did they fail to take the advice of the Native Americans regarding planting and providing for themselves. They actually stole corn from, killed and would eat the Native Americans and each other.

See the following quote from Captain John Smith (1580-1631) "So great was our famine that a savage we slew and buried, the poorer sort took him up again and ate him; and so did divers ones another boiled and stewed with herbs. And one amongst the rest did kill his wife, powdered her and had eaten part of her."

The General History of Virginia Fourth Book Page 294 (1606-1625)

So what is the real story of Thanksgiving? Did European Americans eat with Native Americans or did European Americans eat Native Americans?

In Closing, let me point out that the reason for informing you about the "The Two Stories of Thanksgiving", is to cause all Americans to think more deeply about this important American holiday. Should we stop celebrating Thanksgiving, No! Thanksgiving should and can be a Culturally Healthy event. As a general proposition families getting together to celebrate family unity, and the harvests of family and friends for the year, is a good thing.

However, we must have an accurate picture of the past, if Ma'at (Truth, balance) is to be served in the present and the future. So the bigger question is, what stories do we tell our children, regarding early American relationships to Native Americans. This holiday is a time to ask ( or re-ask) ourselves, What is, and what ought to be, our political, social and spiritual relationship to Native Americans?

See the Cultural Literacy Minutes below.

1. Who were the good and bad guys in American Cowboy and "Indian" movies of the 1960's and earlier? Note: your answer to the above question will tell you something about your cultural orientation to Native Americans.

2. "Indian" = DoubleSpeak (Cultural Poisoning) - Antidote = Native American, Indigenous People, Mohawk, Chippewa, etc.

3. There are also Black Indians among us. This is the Third Story of Thanksgiving, click here.

To view a discussion with Native Americans and other Americans that has been going on for many years visit this link. WARNING This is the old Wild West of the Internet before spell check and before I knew anything about writing.

Our (Americans) relationship to our Native American brothers and sisters has not been Culturally Healthy. I have reactivated your ancestral memory about three of the stories, there are many more, learn about them. It is the Twenty First century, Obama is the President, God is in her heaven and we now have the tools to cure this dis-ease of telling our children and ourselves less then the full historical truth.

It starts with you. So what are you going to do about it?

CULTURAL HEALTH, REQUIRES ACTION TO GAIN TRACTION!

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Don't just vote talk back.

Did you know about the two stories of Thanksgiving before you read this article?

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  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:01 PM EST
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Please, I believe well-attentive Blacks knew what we were told, was relatively untrue.

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Reply#2 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:12 PM EST
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Hetep and Respect chicagorich, tnx for taking the time to comment. Interesting assertion.

I believe well-attentive Blacks

In Cultural Health Parlance we might describe these individuals as Culturally Literate ("attentive").

I believe well-attentive Blacks knew what we were told, was relatively untrue.

As a general proposition, the younger generation is more culturally literate then their elders, if for no other reason than the fact that more information is available.

However, it is one thing to know that what one is being told is "untrue" or partially true and knowing the truth. I am interested to know if you gained new information from this article or was all the information presented known to you before.

1. Did you know The story told by the Captain responsible of for those who ate Native Americans?

2. Had you seen the video on Black Indians?

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#2.1 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:45 PM EST
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Hello brother Aunk and thank you for sharing the stories of the American celebration of Thanksgiving. I'm here searching for perspectives on WHY African Americans especially would comform to this celebrate(?) in light of Our-Story, as African decendents, of His-story. I am unfamiliar with the celebration of Thanksgiving in general and your information was helpful and insightful.

I myself am African via Caribbean parents, born and raised in Britain. As a person consciously trying not to conform and partake in untrue pagen and western celebrations i.e Christmas, Easter and Valentines (those I am familiar with), I am interested to how African Americans view this celebration. I have been invited to a Thanksgiving dinner (tonight) by a group of African Americans (not on British or American shores) and am unsure what exactly we are celebrating for being that we are of African heritage?

Thank you again for your time and knowledge.

US of Africa.

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Reply#3 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:41 AM EST
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Hetep and Respect brother US of Africa, welcome to the vine. Interesting name (handle) that you have their.

I'm here searching for perspectives on WHY African Americans especially would comform to this celebrate(?) in light of Our-Story, as African decendents, of His-story.

As a result of Cultural Poisoning, most Americans including African Americans do not know the historicity of major national holy days ("Holidays"). Thanksgiving is one example, so the Cultural Health task is to improve Cultural Literacy one "holiday" at a time.

As a person consciously trying not to conform and partake in untrue pagen and western celebrations i.e Christmas, Easter and Valentines (those I am familiar with), I am interested to how African Americans view this celebration.

Most African Americans I know utilize Thanksgiving to celebrate family and working together. The Culturally Literate AA's also understand that this is a day of morning for our Native American brothers and sisters. They know the two stories of Thanksgiving and make sure the young ones get this Cultural Literacy passed down.

On another level how AA's work with Thanksgiving is consistent with some of the Kwanzaa principles. E.G.

3. UJIMA (Collective Work and Responsibility) [oo-JEE-mah]

To Build and maintain our community together and make our sister's and brother's problems our problems and to solve them together.

Every year Thanksgiving is rotated to a different house in my family and everyone brings something. Usually I am the Ice man. This year I got assigned the bring dessert.


Kujichagulia (Self Determination)

To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves instead of being defined, named, created for and spoken for by others.

We are Africans in America, so like all Americans we engage in our Nation's holidays to one degree or another. However, like using English to speak African we put our own cultural flavor on it.

Speaking of historicity, you mentioned Christmas and Easter, as you know these timings for major celebrations come into recorded history in Classical African Civilization, Kemet (Ancient Egypt). They were part of African Astro-Psychology ("Astrology") and the Kemetic spiritual system. See my past articles on these holidays. I use all holidays as Cultural Literacy opportunity's.

How did you do at your thankgiving dinner? What did they celebrate? Did you tell the Two Stories of Thanksgiving?

P.S. what do you mean by pagen?

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#3.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:30 AM EST
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aunk

us of africa

i do believe that we of african descent celebrate the holiday for different reasons. i truly think that as we have taken other holidays and events and inserted our ancestral practices we did this for thanksgiving. our ancestors knew there was little to nothing to celebrate when the master and family was having their thanksgiving dinner (except for those house slaves who totally identified with master). but for them it was a day without the backbreaking labor and relative peace from the overseer's whip. after "emancipation" reunited families and families in their first holiday as ex-slaves would be celebrating that. after the great migration from the south families would celebrate a day reunited as a lot of the emigres would come back for a day. these realities would be lost on succeeding generations because of lack of parents and the education system teaching this, and they would celebrate the day as advertised.

i truly have no problem believing that caucasians would devolve into cannabalism. they have done so numerous times (donner party, world war two, jeff dahmer, ed guinn, numerous etc). you can just google cannabalism in europe, or the same in the new world, canada, or america.

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Reply#4 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:06 PM EST
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Hetep and Respect kappa_man_stew, thanks for adding the perspective of Africans enslaved in America during World War Zero (WW0). We lost 100 million in that war and we certainly did not celebrate with our mortal enemies. Natives to Turtle Island lost 50 million and I do not know of NA's that celebrate Thanksgiving to this very day.

(except for those house slaves who totally identified with master).

This is an interesting description of Cultural Treason, that I have not considered before in connection with this holiday, tnx for bringing it to my attention.

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#4.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:40 AM EST
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I believe that acknowledging our past is important, so I am happy to share both stories with people.

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Reply#5 - Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:13 PM EST
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